Motorcycle Basics

By Basem Wasef, About.com Guide

Here's where it all begins! If you're interested in motorcycles, this is where you'll find basic information on everything from gear, accessories, and bike types to instructions on how to ride.

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Lamborghini

Imagine first learning to drive not in an old beater car, but a brand new Lamborghini! The idea of that might sound pretty cool, but for anyone that has driven a high performance car you know that everything about it means business. It accelerates blisteringly fast, it brakes are so powerful they can lock up even WITH anti-lock brakes. Definitely not a forgiving first car. To top that off you have to be extra careful so you don't scratch that crisp yellow paint job or bang your chromed dual exhaust on a speed bump.

Upping the Difficulty

Now take that example and add 2 things: Keeping 300+ pounds balanced on 2 wheels, and keeping the front end down. With a car you don't have to worry about balance at all, 4 wheels really helps with that, but with a motorcycle if you're going less than 5 mph you really need to watch your balance. Turning the motorcycle at all also requires balance, too much lean one way or another and you either end up on the pavement or wrapped around a telephone pole.

Motorcycles have incredible acceleration and they require a lot of throttle control to operate properly. If you give a fast car too much gas all you are going to do is peel out, if you do that same thing on a motorcycle you could easily pull a wheelie and flip the bike. Most modern 600cc motorcycle are built for the race track, the only thing that makes them street legal is adding blinkers, headlights and a license plate. Even 500cc motorcycle will out accelerate all but the fastest cars in a quarter mile race, imagine what a 600cc, or a 1000cc motorcycle can do!

Start Small

Do yourself a favor and when you get your first motorcycle buy something that is smaller than 600ccs, and preferable naked so you don't have to worry about scratching the fairings if you drop it in a parking lot. I was extremely careful and even I dropped my first motorcycle 2 times in the parking lot, and once at a stoplight (tuck in those laces while you ride or they will catch on your pegs!). It's definitely not an uncommon to hear of someone wrecking their brand new motorcycle less than a week after they leave the dealership. Not only will that hurt your pride, but it will also hurt your wallet and your body!

Comments

Feedback

Submitted by Sam (not verified) on Thu, 07/19/2007 - 01:41.

I cant remember if I posted this somewhere else here already or not, but I cant find my original post(if I did), so I thought I would post it again. I've been really enjoying your webpage, and a lot of your articles seem right on the money to me. I'm just beginning life as a motorcycle rider, (about to take the safety course, then buy my first bike). I would really like to see a place where I could post general comments about your page, maybe suggestions of motorcycles to review, ideas for articles, etc. For example, why arent there any reviews of dual sports? I would think that they would be high on the list of suggested beginner bikes (light, small farings, intuitive ergonomics, plus the versatility!) What about scooters as beginner bikes? I know why I wouldn't choose one, but I know a lot of people who are into the hipster/vespa image (especially chicks!). Also, could you tell us a bit about yourselves? Whats your background? Who are you? Why should we trust your opinion over our buddies who swear that everyone's first street bike should be at least 600ccs, to 'teach you some respect'?

Thank you for your great page, I can tell you like what you are doing, and I greatly appreciate it!

Sam

Hey Sam

Submitted by Ben on Thu, 07/19/2007 - 02:00.

Thanks very much! You read my mind, I'm actually working on a forum for this site as we speak, so look for a forum button on the navigation soon. I will also be adding some user accounts and stuff too so different people will be able to e-mail each other and stuff.

When it comes to dual sports, the main reason I haven't reviewed any is I don't know that much about them! I've been warming up to them more and more, and if you have any suggestions of a particular one you would like reviewed feel free to reply to this post with a list :)

- Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin

Here is a link to that article I wrote!

Submitted by Ben on Thu, 07/19/2007 - 03:13.

http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/best-beginner-motorcycle-who-am-i

- Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin

wow, this was actually very

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 02:31.

wow, this was actually very informative. I have a couple years before I can legally operate a motorcycle but I would have never thought to start small, all that was going through my head was speed and more speed. Not a bright way to look at things but I'm glad I found this.

asistance?

Submitted by dansan1988 on Mon, 04/12/2010 - 18:30.

well, i just received my motorcycle endorsement, i tood the msf safety course. i have the funds ready to buy a bike. but i am having a very difficult time deciding which one. it is between a suzuki sv 650 or a 2002 cbr 600 f4i. but after reading the reviews and the beginners guide i am skeptical, i have been in love with ninjas for years and years, i would like the 250, but i am 5'9'' and 220 lbs, so i feel it will be underpowered compared to the other two. i have driven a couple cbrs already, and they feel good, but like i said, skeptical about the size of the engine of the ninja 250. any suggestions?

You do realize you are

Submitted by TrialsRider on Mon, 04/12/2010 - 19:18.

You do realize you are considering 375 pound motorcycles with 72 and 110 horsepower as your first bike, as compared with one that has 32 hp, all of which can pull over 100 mph. If the Ninja really feels too small, I would say maybe to the sv 650 and price the insurance on all 3 before you fall in love with the CBR 600 f4i

all right....

Submitted by dansan1988 on Thu, 04/15/2010 - 14:26.

i did the insurance pricing and everything. crunched some numbers, and the winner came out the cbr. (it's resale value is better) so i am getting a 2002 honda cbr 600f4i with 5k miles on it, for about 4 grand. it is sweeeeeeeeet. that and im getting his gear, like jacket gloves helmet and everything. and insurance for the year, full coverage with $500 deductibles and underinsured and uninsured for about 600 for the year. not too shabby.

rocketman dansan

Submitted by TrialsRider on Thu, 04/15/2010 - 14:51.

eeeexcellent, you won't be lacking on power for some time to come with that one! Do be careful, it's a total rocket ship you have there and there's no need to prove it.

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agree and disagree.

Submitted by flyingpez on Tue, 06/22/2010 - 05:23.

I agree that if you have never been on a motorcycle, dirt bike, or driven a vehicle with a Manuel transmission you should not get a dresser. but if you go and get a small enduro, Honda rebel, s40, or even a 250 ninja the fact of the matter is you're going to grow bord of it and want a bigger bike anyway. I am not trying to say they are not good bikes but you're soon going to want a little more.

when I was 14 I bought a 1980 yamaha xs 400 to fix up and learn to ride on. The guy I bought it from didnt have a title because it was lost in a fire. I fixed up the bike and rode it around the neighborhood for the summer just to get use to the "feel of the road." I never hit anything over 30mph and Its a rural area but I learned from it. when I turned 15 I bought the same bike this time with a title but the bike needed lots of work. Instead of just taking the parts off the one bike and putting it on the new one I started to cut up the frame to make a bobber. the bike is a nice ride but being only 400cc and having a close gear ratio 6 speed trans kinda robs the practicality of an enjoyable ride.

just a few weeks ago I found a 03 triumph bonneville se on craigslist for around bluebook price and I fell in love with the modern engineering/performance bike with the classic triumph look. I rode the bike about 100 miles the past weekend and it is the nicest bike I have ever been on. it has the power to get up and go but it is a great stable machine if you're gentle and dont have a heavy wrist. A light bike is nice to have, while there is a such thing as too light. some smaller 200cc-300cc bikes allow you to maneuver nicer and control the bike less carelessly but they get old fast (within a year or two you will want to upgrade)

So I guess what Im trying to say is that If youre going to get your first street bike get something that has a future and you can grow into.

And most of all do not buy showroom new> its easier to get a bike that has a few scratches in the paint, it makes it a lot easier on yourself when you add more dings and dents.

Keith

Beginner bike

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 15:39.

i dont think some much that a 600cc bike can be compared to a extreme sports car. My first bike was a Suzuki SV650s which is a pretty torque oriented bike so it is fast. But i say its not so much the bike its the person on a bike because even a 450 can go fast you just have to know your limits and not do more then your able to.

Beginner bike

Submitted by KHRider on Thu, 04/22/2010 - 14:47.

The above comment makes a lot of sense. It stands to reason that the bike is only going to move as fast as a rider makes it, and the whole idea is safety, skill and control. I suppose it's worth thinking about the fact that many more powerful engines are also heavier bikes, which would imply that it's going to take more power to accelerate as well.

KHRider

Honda Shadow VLX

Submitted by Lee (not verified) on Wed, 05/21/2008 - 21:04.

I was curious why you haven't mentioned the Honda Shadow VLX as a good first bike. I will be taking the MSF beginners riding course in 2 weeks adn am trying to decide what bike to buy. After reading all of your posts, I've decided that perhaps the Sportster 883 is too much bike for a beginner. SInce the VLX is about 500cc, I was surprised that you don't recommend it for beginners. Is there something I should know that makes it unsuitable for beginner riders?

Honda VLX as a beginners bike?

Submitted by Bruce (not verified) on Wed, 09/10/2008 - 23:49.

I do not recommend the VLX as a beginner bike. The four speed transmission is terrible to learn on. 1st gear is way too tall. I was nearly involved in a couple of accidents because I stalled the bike trying to launch or turn across traffic. Add to this the tiny tank and the gutless, cold-blooded engine and you have a thoroughly disappointing bike for a new rider. I dumped mine in 4 months for a Ninja 250 and never looked back.

I never had any riding

Submitted by jamesq on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:48.

I never had any riding experience and I jumped on a shadow vlx 600 and I think it is a very good bike to learn on. It took me about an hour to learn the basic how to start how to stop how to shift. I agree that the 4 speed is a pain in the ass but I cant understand how you could kill the engine. I have 1 time because I was making a sharp steep uphill turn and I didnt shift down to first other than that the only times its died is from the engine being cold. It isnt very heavy and it rides pretty well with a passanger. I have gotten my 5 foot 6 sister to ride it and she doesnt have much problem so I would encourage it as a first bike especially since they arent too expensive. it has enough power to keep up with traffic and get out of some tight situations but it isnt so big its hard to control. it has enough speed if handled correctly Ive beaten a 750 virago 5 speed in multiple races so it does have some power. any way sorry to blabber on the point is I would recommend the shadow.

I have a 2002 Honda Shadow

Submitted by Jeff in Kentucky on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:31.

I have a 2002 Honda Shadow VLX that I bought new. The 1999 and newer ones need a rejet kit added to have decent takeoff power, since they went from two carbs to one that year, and the clutch is a little trickier than my previous two bikes. I also kept searching for fifth gear at first, but the 4-speed seemed fine after a few weeks.

Even with rejetting, I leave the choke knob out about half an inch for the first half mile of riding, after a 3 minute warmup before taking off, so the cold engine stumbling is greatly reduced. The radiator fan hardly ever comes on- these engines are known for going 300,000 miles before a rebuild, probably because some of the cooling parts were designed larger to also use for the TransAlp dirt bike, and they have cooling fins added to look more like the Harley Softail they copy, at half the engine size and one third the price. I ride it at 75 miles per hour for 100 miles at a time, but it is better at curvy 55mph country roads for 20 miles at a time.

I think the Honda VLX is a better second bike than a first bike- to me the ideal first bike for an adult is an old used 250cc dirt bike that you learn to ride on wet grass, handy for hitting a slick spot on pavement later on a heavier street bike. I started at 8 years old on a minibike that would cost $250 from a K-mart or a Pep Boys now.

Suggestions and answers to questions

Submitted by swing848 on Fri, 04/17/2009 - 05:06.

I originally posted most of the following as an introduction from me to this forum [in the introduction section titled Old rider retuning to the road.] and, although some great advice has been given, I believe it may answer or help to answer some of the good questions posted by many people.

I was going to post a link, however, I will copy and paste the body of the text which includes advice on which first bike to purchase, also, I will relocate my introduction to the bottom of this page, so new riders can get to the meat of the advice:

I have read many posts from people asking questions about which should be their first motorcycle purchase. For those of you wondering about purchasing a new motorcycle to ride on the highway or street I suggest you visit dealers and sit on as many as you can. Have one of the staff, in cycle shops, hold on to the front tire to see if you can put both feet on the ground and let you move the bike slightly from side to side, to let you get a feel for the center of gravity [ease of movement leaning the bike left and right, not you, just the bike], don't lean the bike too far, you do not want to drop a heavy motorcycle that belongs to someone else.

For those that are considering a cruiser, they easily fit most people from 5'6" to just under 6' tall [height can be changed in various ways if you are too short]. If you are over 6' 1" see if you can enjoy the motorcycle you want to purchase before buying it [which means you will have to be insured if you ride]. Also, cruisers, especially medium to large, are long and low, which means they turn different than other types of motorcycles, and even people that have ridden light standard or dirt bikes will find it more difficult to turn at very low speed, it is something you will have to master.

If you have no experience riding, I suggest a motorcycle in the 250cc range and pass a safety course. Small riders will have no trouble getting to 70 mph, riders up to 235 pounds should expect up to 65 mph on most motorcycles with this engine size [unless you are very heavy, 350+ pounds], on flat ground. If you want to climb mountains then the 250cc will strain uphill, even with light riders. I do not suggest two light weight people on a bike this small on anything other than short trips around town or on less traveled two lane highways, level ground.

If are new to motorcycles and want to take long road trips in all areas of the country, I still suggest a small motorcycle to begin riding, then sell the bike [the internet is a great way to sell to individuals], and then purchase a larger motorcycle. For single riders, even heavy ones, 500cc is plenty of engine for almost any Eastern mountains. If you want to ride two up in the mountains, then a larger engine should be looked at, at least 750cc.

Because many people, if not everyone, drops their first bike, it might be a good idea to find a used motorcycle in very good condition. The less you pay for a good bike, the less you will lose if you damage it, although simple drops usually only cause small dings or break a turn light, which is a cheap fix, but a large dent in a gas tank will cost more, for example.

Also, the more you drop it on hard pavement the more visible damage you will do, such as scuffed or broken rubber on the throttle or clutch side and other ugly little marks. A good fitting, well balanced, light motorcycle will suffer fewer spills and will be easy to pick up. There is nothing like a young lady or man that weighs 120 pounds trying to pick up a dropped 600 pound fully fueled motorcycle.

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Introduction of myself when I joined the forum:

I am not sure when I began riding motorcycles, my best guess would be somewhere in the early 1970s. I began with no instruction, riding a Honda 175. I purchased larger motorcycles through the years, the largest that I rode was a Honda CB 750, and back then it was considered a large motorcycle. I did not like that motorcycle because it was top heavy and too tall for me, as I am only 5'6" and weighed about 125 pounds.

I stopped riding around 1998 or 1999, so it has been a while since I have been on a bike [current date is April 2009].

Recently I purchased a Yamaha Virago 700 that came with bags and a comparatively small windshield. Because my 60th birthday is only three weeks or so away I wanted a motorcycle that was comfortable, low [to allow both of my feet to be on the ground, my inseam is 28 inches], shaft drive, non-spoke wheels [easier to fix a flat tire], at least 45 mpg [the more the better], windshield, bags, smooth running at 65 mph, enough power for the mountains of West Virginia, and hydraulic valves.

The biggest miss with the Virago is that it uses mechanical lifters.

The motorcycle that I most wanted was a Kawasaki Vulcan 750, my second choice was a Honda VT 750, and the Yamaha Virago 700 or 750 was a distant third.

Because of limited funds I was unable to find my first or second choice either because they sold before I got to them or, in the case of one Honda, there were too many mechanical problems that needed repaired [although it rode well]. Eventually I found an old 1985 Yamaha Virago 700 for $1575 that is in outstanding mechanical condition and looks very good, only one dent on a chrome side cover, the rest of the bike looked almost new [ a 9 out of 10], with only the smallest road rash [ a few 1/16 inch paint chips on one small area of the gas tank, so small you have to look for them].

The day I picked up the motorcycle I had to ride it almost 100 miles to my home. The temperature at the beginning of the ride was about 38 degrees and forecast rain. I have not purchased leather yet, however, I did purchase a good rain suit, unfortunately, the ride was still cold. I had planned to wear long underwear under my pants and had forgotten to put them on. Thank God that at that low temperature it did not begin to rain until I was about 10 miles from home.

The trip was mostly flat, open highway, but there were some back roads that had twists and hills, one of which was long and steep, plenty of power from those 700ccs though and the Virago climbed with ease.

After putting the motorcycle away I changed my wet socks and shoes [my boots were too large for the location of the shifter to safely use, new boots are next], then I settled on the sofa with a large glass of hot tea with honey.

As for the 1985 Yamaha Virago I recently purchased, it rides very smooth up to about 50mph, then begins to slowly increase vibration as speed increases. This motorcycle has no "cruse control" aka an inexpensive friction lock, so I accidentally hit 75mph a few times on the freeway and vibration had not nearly reached what I would call bad, in other words, cars were still clearly visible in the rear view mirrors. Roll on power was smooth and non-abrupt through all ranges. There are quicker motorcycles out there in the 750cc class, however, one of my criteria was good fuel economy and this motorcycle is advertised to get 50mpg combination city/highway, I will soon find out for myself.

Fuel economy was the reason that I ruled out Honda Magna, as they average about 38mpg city/highway. That motorcycle is basically a cruiser with a racing engine, which means higher RPM [which means lower fuel economy] to reach comparable speeds of other cruisers. Great bike, poor fuel economy in my opinion.

After a long absence from riding do I like this motorcycle? Yes. It was not my first choice, but it is good enough to pass muster.

Thank you for reading and enjoy safe riding.

Thanks for the post about

Submitted by Sam (not verified) on Fri, 07/20/2007 - 05:01.

Thanks for the post about yourself! I dont live in the bay area, but if I'm ever down there, I'll be sure to wave.

The motorcycle that I've been considering lately (I've been changing my mind a lot, since it doesnt cost me anything) is the Suzuki DRZ400E or its sibling the Suzuki DRZ400SM. My boss keeps touting KTMs as the best bikes around, but I dont know that much about the specific models. Both Kawasaki and Yamaha make dual sports in the 125-225cc range, but they felt really really light to me when I went and sat on them, so I havent looked into them very much. My understanding is that you can get dual sport conversion kits for most dirt bikes, which really opens up whats available.

Thanks for the response to my post, its nice to know that there is a real person on the other end! Keep up the awesome work!

KTM

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 07/21/2007 - 01:56.

I've heard some pretty good things about KTM, and I really like the look of their Super Duke street bike! haha, I'll have to research the DRZ400 as well as a few other dual sports soon. Oh yeah, if you are viewing this in Internet explorer i'm sorry, the site looks like crap. I just found out yesterday how bad it looks in IE, I always use firefox so I could never tell. Regardless, expect some updates to the look of the site soon!

It's very easy to say that

Submitted by Rylinkus (not verified) on Mon, 08/06/2007 - 03:44.

It's very easy to say that only 250cc and 500cc are beginner bikes. But the fact of the matter is, a 500cc bike today is far more powerful than a 600cc of 20 years ago. And every bike can be dangerous. They can all go fast enough to cause a fatal crash and they all have ample acceleration to be unforgiving. A lot of the clutch work mentioned can be scary unless you've driven a standard car before. I started riding on a 97 YZF 600R. I had dropped it @ 65mph+. I would have done the same with a 250 cc bike. The road condition doomed me, not the CC rating. Currently I ride an 02 Busa. And it's probably EASIER to ride than the YZF. It's stable and the torque gives very nice low end acceleration. And while it could be very easy, controling a powerful bike is merely being smart enough to know your limits, and control your throttle hand.

Well I have to admit I went

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 08:58.

Well I have to admit I went from 125cc all the way to a Suzuki SV650 and I will be honest it was a wierd Change but its all about being careful and respecting the machine your on. Im still on my SV650 but now thinking about changing to a Yamaha R6

Starting out 600

Submitted by Kickprivate (not verified) on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 06:31.

I have been running it over and over in my head. Do I want to start out on 500 and upgrade later or start out on a 600 and be with it for the next years.

Things stand out in my head, pros, cons, advantages, risks, warrants and disadvantages. I have something that a lot of people don't. Time. A lot of it. Before I go into that I want to rant about the area and the advantage I have.

I live in Fort Worth, Texas. I also happen to live in a area where in one direction you have country roads, another you have main roads and another highway, highway access roads and suburb streets. Each has its own traffic, speed and level of difficulty.

This is where I have my advantage and time comes into play. Being in a area like this makes for good learning in each "tier" of speed. Suburb streets offer for good learn at your pace streets without much traffic, fairly well kept roads and the feeling that when your ready to step it up your not far from another "tier". This is where I will most likely start my venture into biking before hitting the highway for a morning commute to work.

Country roads around here are not the most curvy but they do have their advantage and here is where risk comes into play. Country roads are not always the best kept roads and here is where you find of parallel cracks and sand. This makes for the "caution of riding" learning...

I would agree that most people shouldn't start out on a 600CC bike. But when you have the resources (MSF, different types of roads, ect ect) and most important research what is really stopping you? I can understand saying no to someone who is ready to roll off the dealership and hit the highway, but when you're ready to put the time and effort into learning before doing and learning while doing... wouldn't that put you at a advantage over starting on a 600 rather then not?

What i'm trying to say is, if you are fully committed to learning before doing and taking your time, shouldn't that be enough to justify going 600 over 250/500?

You also have to realize that on a budget buying two new bikes in one year can happen but would be very difficult. Even two in two years is easier said then done.

Although I have not done all my research I must say that when combined with information from the MSF website, guide sites like this and forums, should that not be enough to start slow on the 600?

Hmmm...

Submitted by Ben on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 21:38.

It is definitely possible to learn on a 600cc machine, but I feel that most people jump to a 600cc just because it looks cool. And I think if you have that attitude, than you most likely won't have the self control needed to keep yourself from binning the motorcycle in the first year. Hell, there is nothing wrong with wanting to look cool, that was probably a good 50% of the reason why I started riding! It's just badass! But it is way too easy to get over your head on a 600cc motorcycle in my opinion, and way too easy to get overconfident.

It is definitely possible to learn on a 600cc, there are lots of people that have done it. From my own experience I learned on a 500cc, and I found that to be MORE than enough of a challenge! Just a slight twist on the throttle would have you hitting 60mph in seconds. 500cc bikes are also lighter and easier to control while going at slow speeds, even with that being the case I must have dropped my first bike 3-5 times at low speeds. Thankfully it was a naked bike so I didn't have to worry about cracked fairings or anything like that.

When it comes to cost, you can pick up a ninja 500 one year, and sell it for maybe a few hundred less the next year, frankly they have excellent resale value. Hell with my first bike, a suzuki GS500, I bought it for $1700 and sold it less than a year later for $2500!!!! Thats a profit of 800 dollars, which more than paid for all the gear I bought for the bike. The key is finding deals and being patient.

I mean I guess you can do whatever you feel comfortable doing, but I know you will be more than satisfied with a 500cc bike, and it will provide tons of challenges for you. If you are dead set on getting something bigger than at least steer your thinking towards an SV650, the Vtwin engine it has makes it relatively newbie friendly. Keep in mind a 650cc vtwin is still going to have gobs more power than a 500cc ninja, so even though I do recommend it on this site, I really only try and steer people towards it if they definitely won't get something less than 600cc's.

One more quick thing. Most riders that I have seen that start on a smaller motorcycle are BETTER, and FASTER in the twisties than riders that start on 600cc plus motorcycles. This is because they can actually concentrate on proper riding technique instead of focusing so much on controlling a bike that is above their skill level.

- Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin

600CC

Submitted by Kickprivate (not verified) on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 23:13.

I'm not deadset on any bike really. I have considered a ex500 more then any other bike. I like the look, the ride-ability and the option to do twisties is just another plus. After all this bike is to get me from point a to b, something to do on the weekends and to explore. I like the idea of joining a club, meet new people, learn more about bikes. This is quickly becoming a daily hobby and I like it!

This post was meant for one thing. To clearify to me any doubts that I had and that is it. I'm not about to run out and buy a bike. I still have a list of things todo before I even decide to buy a bike (That is a bit of lie, i will be getting one..)

I'm not looking at the bike thinking, I can go faster. I view it as, will this fit me better. I am a bit heavy set coming in at 230 fully clothed so these are the things I have to consider.

I love the idea that starting small is bigger in the future. That's great and that has been my thinking ever since I started the idea about getting a bike.

I have heard alot of the things you are saying about resale. I like the idea consider my yearly income vs the cost of the bike. Which fairs pretty well if I might add. I would much rather sell it to someone on the street then a dealer. You get to make new friends and maybe help someone a "tier" below me.

Anyways before I rant all night. The bottom line is, i am exploring my options. If I am deadset on anything it would be the kawasaki ninja 500 over any bike at this point. I do like the void that you can fill with custom parts.

Thank you shaykai.

Kickprivate

PS. Check your email :D

Alot fo thinking and tinkering

Submitted by Kickprivate (not verified) on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 07:44.

I have done alot of thinking. ALOT!

I have said, well it might be okay to start on 600CC bike if I do this and do that. I have also said that I am not going to be like the other joe's out there and take my time and not do this and not do that. But the truth is. You do not gain skill by reading a book, forum post or guide. You gain experience by doing and that is the only way. I am not saying that reading guides and forums is a bad thing, its great and one of the best things when used in conjunction with the MSF course. I will talk about that later.

Going out and buying a new 600CC bike would be the biggest mistake and I will tell you why. Many people fear the bike, that is the first mistake. It is the road and the people on it that you should fear. You should have respect for the bike but to a point, not fear. When you have fear, your rate of processing and leveling of thinking goes down. If you trust and respect you bike, you put your focus on the road and that is where it should be.

Many riders think about this when they buy their first bike. More power = acceleration.. but more power also = a lot more skill needed. Take a sharp corner on a 500CC bike, make a mistake on a turn and you should be able to push through it. Take a sharp corner on a 600CC bike, you "could" make the mistake of ending up on the other side of that reflective yellow line.

A lot of people, including myself, say "I'm going to get a 600CC bike. I'm going to be very mature, take it slow and learn my bike." But what we newbies ofter forget is that maturity doesn't start when you put a leg over on your bike, it starts before you buy it.

I think that a lot of newbies think that older riders are trying to put them down. They don't give them the answers they want so they just don't listen. There is a reason experienced riders say "It's not the best idea to start out on a 600CC bike". Listen to them is the only thing I will say. The people that do tell you to start on a 600CC are probably new riders themselves.

You will lay down your bike and whether you are going 20 or 60 you need to be prepared. But with a little skill you have a better chance of coming out of it.

About reading guides, forums, books and taking the MSF.

The best thing and most mentioned thing I have seen is "read as much as you can, then take the MSF course, you will soak up a lot more information and have a clear head. You are also more likely to ask questions when you have them. There are a lot of things to ask, and reading will put those in your head."

I read a guide the other night and it hit so close to home. Read it again and again. It was a great guide and at the end he mentioned a book called, The Complete Idiots Guide to Motorcycles, 3rd edition. I ran out and bought it right away. Well I ordered it online so its not really running as I was sitting at my computer already!

Don't be that squid in the newspaper. Be prepared for the worse and expect the unexpected.

Kickprivate

("Squid": The person you see riding in a wife beater, shorts and flip flops. A person who rides for looks. This said person is often times not experienced and doesn't feel like learning will benefit him or her in anyway)

Random Thoughts

Submitted by Ben on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 16:51.

I'm really glad you are thinking a lot about this! I think one of the main problems with the world today (not just the world of motorcycles) is that people don't think things through enough, or they think a little, and then they stop thinking. I can tell you have really thought about this though :)

This is a little off topic, but even though I do have a 600cc bike, probably sometime in the next year or so I plan on buying a 250cc bike! Kind of backwards huh? I mean I started on a 500cc and then moved up to a 600, so why go to the 250?

Because they are a blast to ride!

I actually plan on buying a 250cc bike and having it be a track bike, not only will the parts be cheaper to fix, but that way I can really take the bike to the limits.

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Quick sideramp:

It's funny that you mention squids in the wifebeaters, shorts, flip flops etc... It seems like tons of people don't wear gear and only ride moto's for looks. When I see someone dressed out in full leathers I think, "Man, that guys a pro" or at the very least "Man, that guy is serious about riding".

On the other hand when I see some squid in shorts and flip flops I just cringe and hope they don't go down. Also in my opinion the people that ride like that are doing it 100% for image, and not for the actual joy of riding. Sure image is cool, but with full gear you LOOK like more of a badass professional than a guy not wearing any gear.

There is this guy I know that rides an r1, I believe he started on an r1 too actually. The funny thing is I was talking to him about riding and asked if he wanted to ride in the hills some weekend and he was like, "Nah, I don't like turning, I prefer cruising in a straight line."

I was freaking FLOORED! Leaning into a turn is the best part about riding a motorcycle! Because he started on a bike way too powerful, even though he has been riding for a few years, I bet a 250cc rider that has been riding for 6 months could beat him in the twisties.

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Twisties

Submitted by Kickprivate (not verified) on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 21:05.

I can't agree more. I dream and dream about doing twisties. That is another reason on my list of pros and cons. The only bad thing is i'm sure they are not many here in Texas considering it's mostly flat! But I don't know the area yet.

I also agree that gear is way more pro over squid wear. I would much rather spend a grand on gear then 10 grand on medical bills.

Btw shaykai, hows the new place?

Grin

Submitted by Ben on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 02:31.

The 10 grand on medical bills doesn't bother me nearly as much as the pain that I would suffer from road rash. Hell I hate it when I get a bad sunburn, I bet road rash feels a billion times worse for weeks longer!

The new place is great actually :) I just strapped my garage door opener to my motorcycle with some zipties the other day. Hehe, I get the garage and my girlfriend and our roommate have to find parking elsewhere in the complex *GRIN* :)

Ben

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I want to joyride and cruise not be a human missile

Submitted by Richard (not verified) on Wed, 05/28/2008 - 00:35.

I've been hit 3 times by cars on my bicycle, I know that no matter how confident I am in my skills or ability, the other idiots on the road are unpredictable. Especially since one of those people looked me right in the eye before hitting me.

I want to be able to look to the right and left and see nothing but the road and scenery unobstructed. I can't say there won't be a day that I find a road I'm comfortable with and very briefly see how fast my bike can go.. I can pretty much promise that will happen..

I know what it's like to crash in a car, on a bike and I know that you multiply those by a hundred to equal a motorcycle crash. I have no problem with baby steps.

I plan on taking a class rather than learning on my own. I'd rather learn the right way and have a better experience in the long run.

Plus part of the goal is to save money on gas.. it's over 4$ here in michigan now, buying / trading in for a second bike isn't conducive of saving.

Just my take. A sports bike isn't my style. I plan on wearing full body protection. And no one else will ride with me without it as well.

What about 400cc

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 21:09.

What do you think about starting on a 400-450 cc bike? I'm guessing that it is not as powerful and dangerous as a 600 but good enough for someone who wants to have that extra speed option incase they want to go a little faster. That's my reasoning but I could be wrong.

People have a general idea of what they are capable of

Submitted by CBR 600rr love affair (not verified) on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 05:05.

If a rider feels inclined to ride a motorcycle in order to "look cool", then my friend that person is a squid; and they will dump their bike regardless of how big the engine is. An irresponsible rider can kill themselves on a moped, it's just simply all about respect. My first bike was a cbr 600, and while it certainly provided me with all the power I could possibly need, any hairy situations I found myself in were not created by riding a 600 and could not have been remedied by riding anything smaller (in fact most of them were caused by florida motorists). I truly believe that a new rider will be alright if they devote some time researching all possible first rides and make a decision based solely on what they feel comfortable with and not what their friends ride or want them to ride. Obviously going further than the legally required bare minimum when it comes to motorcycle safety courses and advanced riding courses helps immensely. Along with that, I also believe that a rider (new or not) will undoubtedly inflict repeated abuse to themselves and their rides if their motives for riding fall into a vanity related or materialistic category. Sure, I think its great that attractive women love motorcycles and the men that ride them, and most all riders enjoy the image exhibited by being a motorcycle rider; but those are strictly perc's of the lifestlye (and only small ones at that). I would discourage your message of condemning 600cc's or larger as being unacceptable beginning bikes; instead I would use all my resources to try and fully educate riders or prospective riders in order to make appropriate decisions for a first bike. It's important to take in all aspects of a riders situation when making the decision on a first bike; such as where you live, what the terrain/roads are like, how dense the population may be, there are much more important factors than just engine size when determining a suitable first bike. Respect the ride, fellow motorists, and constantly prepare for the worst possible scenario; just leave the rest up to the motorcycle gods.

Hello to all, I am an about

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 04:08.

Hello to all,
I am an about to be 24 year old guy who is going to be getting a bike very soon. I have been on a bike before but just my dads when I was a little tike. That being said I have never driven any type of motorcycle at all. I will be taking the course first, though I am torn of which size bike to get. I personally would like to start off on a small sport bike so I can learn the proper techs. Though all of my buddies that ride say that I will get bored in a month with say a 250 and that I will want more acceleration etc.... Personally I don't care to go 0-60 in 3 sec. I just want a good city commuter. I also have a wife that will be riding on the back with me sometimes. We won't be doing any traveling on the bike. Lets face it, traveling on a bike is best done on a cruiser and although most are badass looking/sounding, thats just not my style. Anyway I like how the new Ninja 08 and 09 250r's look. But yet again, my buddies say its not too safe to have two people on a 250. I am willing to go bigger, but on a budget (with this damn ol economy), I would like to start out small. I learned how to drive a stick in a 5.0 mustang, so I know how too much power can be a bad way to learn.....Just wanted some thoughts on this by those who know what they are talking about.

i say fuck anything less

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 04:34.

i say fuck anything less than a 600 i started on a 03 r6 and loved it! wouldn't of started with a smaller bike! A 600cc is the perfect beginner bike as long as you have rode a dirt bike or some other bike before in your life as long as you take it easy for the first month your good!! Recommend a 600cc for anyone starting on a sport bike that has some back ground on a bike!!

idiot

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 01/13/2008 - 18:05.

The only thing an r6 is going to do for a beginner is get them into trouble, 90% of the people out there can't even ride a 600cc sport bike to its limit. The only reason to get a bigger bike is if you've ridden it as hard as it can go, and you're looking for more. For you straight line guys, go build yourself a drag bike, don't be a poser on an r1 talking about how fast you went when a pro on a 250 could smoke you on a course.

agreed!

Submitted by Ben on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 02:06.

I agree with you 100%!

Ben
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This is the most idiotic

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 21:06.

This is the most idiotic comment I've ever read (not really, but close).

Sounds like another poser who doesn't want newbies on the same bike he rides.

ANYONE can start on a 600. If you can't, you shouldn't even be riding a motorcycle.

Load the bike on a truck and go out to an empty parking lot and LEARN TO RIDE the damn thing first before you hit the public streets. Christ, it's not that hard. Simulate traffic conditions, hard stopping, turning, etc... Spend however much time (days, weeks, etc..) you need doing thing before you go out into traffic.

Guess what champ, if you are exploring the limits of a 600/1000cc on public roads, you're an idiot. Properly exploiting those bikes means going to the track. A minority of people who buy a bike for the street go to the track.

What a 600/1000 gives a rider is more power, more TORQUE. That means less goofing around with shifting. This is a blessing in areas with high traffic. I took my 250 to a larger city and what a PITA it was. It took the fun out of riding having to shift so often.

I would recommend a 250 for recreational riding in smaller areas, or back road riding. If I was commuting or planning on doing lots of riding in traffic in larger population areas, I would definitely suggest getting some type of a 600+.

Idiotic?? hmm...

Submitted by Ben on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 19:08.

It sounds like you've been riding for a while (and if I am reading your comment correctly you started on a 250cc bike as well). I think its tough for people that have been riding for a long time to remember what it was like when you first got on the bike. For me riding a 600 is super easy and its hard to imagine it being difficult at all, but whenever I start to think that way I have to remember my first bike (a gs500) and all the mistakes I made on it!

my gs500 was super lightweight compared to my bike now, and even though it wasn't that heavy I still managed to drop in 3 times at a standstill within a 6 month period. Not only that, but it was pretty difficult for me to learn to operate the clutch/throttle effectively and not rev the engine way too much. Keep in mind at the time I always drove cars with manual transmissions so shifting so you would think that would give me an advantage, but since motorcycles have the clutch/brakes/shifter completely switched (hands to feet, feet to hands etc..) it was like learning to shift all over again.

Yes, anyone CAN start on a 600cc, but in most cases I definitely wouldn't recommend it. Your statement of 'you shouldn't even be riding a motorcycle' if you can't ride a 600 is ridiculous and completely uninformed. It reminds me of a comment that a guy made to me once asking why I wore so much gear (leather jacket, moto pants, gloves, helmet etc...). I told him if I crashed I wanted to stack the odds in my favor and keep as much skin as possible. He scoffed at that and said I shouldn't even be riding a motorcycle if I was afraid I would crash. Doesn't that sound completely idiotic to you? I can't control every factor when riding a motorcycle, especially other drivers that might do something stupid and cause me to crash. To think you could avoid every possible scenario while riding would mean you would have to have eyes in the back of your head, the fastest reaction time in all humanity, and psychic ability to see what is going to happen a few seconds/minutes before it did. I don't know about you but I don't have any of those qualities.

I digress, what I'm saying is you need to think back to when you were a new rider and how challenging it was before you start recommending 600's to people that shouldn't be riding them. I'm not saying that all people will instantly crash and die if they start on a 600, but I think thats just one more thing stacked against them, and in this game you want to stack as much stuff in your favor as possible.

Ben
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a little scared

Submitted by yooooo (not verified) on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 21:39.

First of all, I like the site. I guess ill just start.. I used to ride dirtbikes on tracks and whatnot and all around pastures and woods (Live in Texas), and Id say about two years of riding/racing on tracks and jumps I had a horrible crash. I shattered my leg and wore a steel cage with 14 rods (28 holes) going through my leg for about a year, then all the rehab. Im totally fine now which is about 2 years after I got the cage off and can run a mile in 6 minutes.. I have wanted a big motorcycle my whole life and constantly think about it, but am flat terrified of getting paralyzed, i understand that accidents will eventually happen but not if I have anything to do with it. Im definately one to wear gear, and a smart thinker truly, (I only wrecked on the dirtbike cuz the jump was too dry when I went up), dont plan on lifting it up, just really love to ride and no plans for showboating. I really want to buy one, but im just super scared because I dont want to put my family through any crap again and not to mention my mom about dirties her pants when I even bring the thought up. I want to eventually get a gsxr 600, but want to begin on a sv650 in my perfect scenario, but also keep the smaller bikes in mind for learning purposes. I guess I really love the way the bigger bikes ride as I have taken my friends 600 around town twice, and have also rode a 250 the same way. I dont know Im really just pissed off because my greatest passion probably is just cruisin on the road, but I havent ever decided to buy one for all the mentioned reasons. Anyways If you have any advice that would be nice, I think we both think on the same wavelengths so i prefer to take advice from non-retard websites if you get my drift. Thanks

Buy yourself an older, used

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 10/17/2008 - 00:59.

Buy yourself an older, used Nighthawk 250 and learn to ride comfortably. Then move up to whatever you want. But first, make sure that person in your life (whoever it is that lays judgement upon you and your purchases) understands that it is temporary. I see lots of Nighthawks, Rebels, Ninjas, and GZs going for less than $1500 on Craigslist.

a little scared

Submitted by yooooo (not verified) on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 23:56.

Yea I was really thinking about doing that (the 250) and learning to ride comfortably.... I guess I really like the way the 600 look as well, and not for showboating, for myself. To wake up and see that bad boy in the garage you know, but I understand if it kills me then its not going to be any enjoyment. I like the new 08 ninjas, they look wayyyyy better.

I used to ride dirt bikes 25

Submitted by Dagger on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 01:14.

I used to ride dirt bikes 25 years ago.. Just got back into riding this past month and decided to go with the 650 for a couple of reasons.. I had a lesson on a Rebel 250 and realized it was way too small for my body size so I knew I needed something a little larger overall without being too heavy for me.. And also after riding the 250 I realized I hadn't forgotten as much as I thought I had.. A lot of it came back to me pretty quickly once I was on the bike.. The change from having my feet under me to having my feet out in front of me on the cruiser was probably the biggest adjustment I had to make..

Dagger

I just want to make it out of this life alive...

RE: Idiotic?

Submitted by GeezerwithaGrudge on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 20:44.

When I first saw the title of this website, I figured it would be a sales pitch for bikes larger than 600cc. I teach MSF classes and for an off-road program and I'm constantly disappointed in what passes for "common sense" among new riders. Mostly, that's because of lousy advice they get from "experienced riders" who have miraculously survived, so far, their own poor choices.

A big bike, for me, is my 650cc V-Strom. My daily commuter bike is a 250cc Super Sherpa. The 250 gets me to work and back, either by the freeway or on surface streets. It also gets about 90mpg, if I don't thrash it. I've been riding since 1963 and I started on a 250cc Harley. I'm unconvinced that the majority of riders on 600cc and up bikes have any business on an automatic transmission scooter. They discover their skills are insufficient when they become statistics.

Your website does a terrific service and I hope you keep at it.

Thomas Day
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Another beginner with a 600

Submitted by zeroply on Mon, 07/05/2010 - 18:26.

Ok, so I didn't buy my bike to be cool or impress the ladies. I'm pushing forty and on top of that an avid rock climber, so I'm generally not one to take unnecessary risks...

That said, I'm old school and didn't do a lot of research online before buying a bike. One of my friends who's ridden a lot told me that by state law you couldn't go on the Interstate here in Missouri with anything less than a 400cc. Well, I didn't want something that would just barely do 60mph, so I threw in some margin and figured a 600 would be powerful enough for highway use and be able to keep up with traffic.

(Before going any further, this isn't a horror story, I'm just throwing my two cents as a beginner into the discussion... I'm not sitting in a wheelchair typing with a straw in my mouth or anything like that...)

I sat on a bunch of bikes and just did not feel comfortable on the upright touring or cruiser models. I've been bicycling seriously for about 20 years and have about 100,000+ miles on racing bicycles, and I'm used to being tucked down tight with weight off my rear. When I got on the Nighthawks and Harleys, I felt like I was in danger of toppling over backwards. The first bike that fit me great was a GSX-R 750.

After some shopping around I got a good deal on a GSX-R 600. Again, great fit. When I got on the handle bars, had someone hold the bike and put my feet up, it felt like the bike had been custom molded for my body.

After getting it in my garage I went online to look for an owner manual, to find out how to do my routine checks. At that point I started looking at the specs and realized that this engine generated more horsepower than my car and redlined at 14,500 rpm. A little more research brought me to websites like this one. I realized that I was the equivalent of a beginning climber getting ready to spend six days on the perfectly vertical world of a 3000ft big wall - without ever having been more than 20ft off the ground before.

I had to revise my training plan accordingly. I bought a full face helmet, armored jacket, hard knuckle gloves, the whole nine yards. Even then, I'm only riding the quarter mile to the nearest parking lot, riding around in first gear, and then riding back. I'm also riding with the expectation that I will go down, and will skin up the bike. I take the MSF course later this month. Until then, no second gear for me.

That said, the bike feels exquisite. It is balanced so well that I can coast along at 3mph with my feet on the pegs. I've intentionally over-throttled it a few times to get a feel for the kick. Even when I rode out the first time, turning was easy - it felt like the bike knew in advance what needed to be done and was just waiting for the clueless beginner to actually give the command.

So how can I explain it best to a fellow beginner? Go out and find "In the beginning was the command line", an essay by Neal Stephenson. It's easy to find on the web (and free). It's about computer operating systems, but it's also about electric drills. In that context: a 600cc sportbike is to motorcycles what a Milwaukee Hole Hawg is to drills. It will do exactly what you tell it to, without trying to protect you from yourself. If a Hole Hawg catches while in use, it will not automatically cut off or stall from lack of power. It will just turn your whole body or break something in your arms if you don't let go fast enough. I speak from experience on that one.

Now think of how simple an electric drill is and how complicated a motorcycle is. It's easy to say "I just won't give it too much throttle". Sorry, fellow newbie, but you're in a full face helmet, and head to toe in fairly hot clothing. You're sweating and nervous and it's impossible to find neutral. Are you absolutely sure that you won't twist that throttle the wrong way if you start losing your balance? Because your sportbike is a stallion that is trotting along just waiting patiently for you to give it that "go" command. Your sportbike is waiting for that moment when it can jump 3,000 rpm in less than a second and put all that torque straight into the ground.

I'm addicted to the bike now. But it's a heavy price. I only take it out at 5:45am when there's zero traffic, and then only to the parking lot. It will probably be 6 months before I even start riding on the road. If I had purchased something a little less lethal, I would probably be tooling around town within a few weeks.

Bottom line - listen to the experienced guys on here. I'm doing it the hard way, and would definitely not have gone this route if I had done better research first...

Agreed

Submitted by blitzmonkey on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 01:40.

I'll agree with anonymous' comment.

I'm a new rider. Didn't start out on anything but my '02 CBR f4i 600cc. No prior experience to riding a motorcycle. Just decided to get one this year.

I'm sorry but I think you're pointing a lot of people in the wrong direction. I look at it as an even more expensive direction too! You want people to start on a 250 pay money for that, realize what they have isn't enough and then look on to buy another bike? Seriously with how the economy is that's just ill stated.

Next how hard is it to read? Even if you don't go to motorcycle safety class the internet has so much material on ride a bike safely. It's not that hard to go on a motorcycle, if you've ever road a bicycle you can understand the basics of balance believe it or not that's the easiest part.

Think about the clutch in a manual car and how that works. Take that knowledge and just test it on your bike. When I first got my bike moving i was sitting on it and waddle walking down the street until i got comfortable enough to give her some throttle.

The hard parts come in on the turning which is easy with practice. Biggest piece of advice there is brake before turning, downshift if needed, keep your head up and look where your turning, execute the turn and roll the throttle on.

So I don't agree with the assumption that a 600 is "Too Much!", in reality I'd be more poised to state that a 600 is all you'll ever need, unless you have some sick addiction to speed.

600cc's aren't 1000cc's or 1400's, I'll never suggest a 1000 as a starter bike. I will suggest a used 600cc, they're prouder motorcycles with happy owners. The owners are happy because they set out to ride a motorcycle and now they do and are respected for what they own.

Little story from personal experience I had the displeasure of riding a 250 the other day for 10 mins. I played with it and tested the limits of the bike (like everyone should do with their bike when they're comfortable) and in real world applications it's actually scarier. I wouldn't dream of riding that thing on the free way and good luck making quick acceleration.

My suggestion to reading this is, if you're seriously swayed to a 250 because you're scared you need not be on a motorcycle. If you're scared to ride a motorcycle then I suggest motorcycle safety courses where they teach you to ride. I even heard they use 250's. Take a course learn how to ride on a motorcycle supplied by the course then go test drive bikes with your learned skills. Don't just buy a 250 because someone wants you to be afraid of the big bad 600.

oh please. tell me how

Submitted by megaspaz on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 03:28.

oh please. tell me how awesome you are when you've hit some real twisties or the track. the main reason for starting on a 250cc is not only the disparate power delivery of a 600cc I4, but the weight, and you can actually learn cornering skills quicker on a smaller bike. I love seeing this 600cc I4 and bigger litre bikes on the track just corner park it taking a corner. Heck, i get a chuckle getting passed on the front straight by these bigger bike riders only to pass them back on the same straight because they don't know how to carry entry speed into a corner and brake like a mofo a bazillion miles away from the corner. I'd prefer to see a bunch of 250 riders on the roads nowadays instead of all these noobs on their super sport replicas who bin it on their first couple of rides on the twisties or the track. Everyone thinks just because they can handle a quick jaunt on the highway or to their local *$ that they're totally skilled on their 600+cc bike. Basically, get what you want. But don't be surprised that someone on a 250cc bike will have developed skills faster than a noob who started on their 600cc I4. And if you look at your local CL, something like an ninja 250, you can sell for what you paid for it, so you are most certainly not losing money. Heck, i'd even go as far as saying don't start out riding a street bike, but a dirt bike. Learn how to throw a bike around and have it move around underneath you so know what that feels like and don't have yourself a hissy fit when it happens on the street.

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Nice debating style Blitz,

Submitted by Munch on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 05:40.

Nice debating style Blitz, haven't seen your type in a long time. Nice touches giving credit to the site owner on the obvious non arguable tips yet give the little jabs in between to harvest some semblance of approval to your choices, or were you trying to start a pissing contest?
Any learner that comes across this site is obviously looking for some direction on where to start and what tools to get their riding career going. Likely most will be smart and take the MSF due to simple reasoning of reading and doing are worlds apart. Reading leaves you safely in your chair or couch and practicing motions that you are likely unfamiliar with. Get on the machine and you lose the safety net. Then enter inexperience, emotion, adrenaline and have your fight or flight instincts kick in. Usually recipes for disasters. Thankfully for those around you , you were still able to take your time and do the duck walk. Not all are as....cool headed as you. Or graced with an an apparent self proclaimed natural talent. I can read all day long about becoming many things, the work of doing presents a whole different approach. Like GI Joe says .... "Knowing is half the battle".
Now lets take your argument about expenses. A 250 ninja depending on area and demand goes for what $4,000 on average? Now lets bump that up to your 600's which is usually and very easily twice the price. I am talking new prices, not used.....used will present a whole new can of worms full of problems for a beginner. Now 4 grand to learn on a bike you will likely recoup the costs on , and be able to build up the confidence on a machine that even though will not out run traffic will get you down the road and back in a controllable manner. Lay it down ... your out what 4 grand tops. Now the 600+'s.... hmm 8 grand, rarely if ever recoup the costs. Get overconfident because you read how to control the bike in certain situations but your brain can't make sense of it all in the tiny fractions of a second that you will need. Not only are you risking twice the price in the same situation but you also cost yourself 2X's the money to scare yourself out of riding. Provided you survived.
Oh and let us not forget that you are likely under the assumption that everyone will chase after your very own dream of riding a sport bike. Cruisers require a different skill set to ride successfully. As will standards. Torque that can kick you off the seat even with a 500 .... yea a reality no matter what the bike is cruiser, sport or otherwise. Heading towards a fence from a right hand death grip or having the horizon disappear because you didn't realize that your buddy had over dramatized the twisting motion on the throttle is a hard and very dangerous way to learn.
MSF will help you learn the VERY BASICS of riding and get you comfortable on being on a motorcycle. The learning does not stop there. It is also an inexpensive way to know whether riding is for you before you take the 4 or 8 and some times much larger dollar amount leap. With all that added up, why would you think instructors and the designers of the course prefer to use 250's? Because they have penis envy and they don't want some noob riding a bigger horse then them?
Honestly in no way does the site owner tell you "You HAVE to start on a 250 or your gonna die", his ideas are merely to give folks that extra nudge in where to start and how. What to look out for for their FIRST bike, which any one who has ridden for any amount of time very well knows the odds are very high to near certain it will not be your last bike should you continue on your journey.
So breath, relax, enjoy your ride as such that it is, and try to help promote responsible riding and learning. There are enough statistic victims out there- let's not try to produce more.

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If you have ridden a dirt

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 06/01/2008 - 18:37.

If you have ridden a dirt bike, then your not so much a beginner. I've been on a dirt bike once and flew off of it. I'm a beginner. I believe these guys and I should respect the power the bike wields. I"m def. gonna go with a 250 or a 500.

Thanks guys,

Jason

Did you...

Submitted by blitzmonkey on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 01:41.

...Bother to get back on it and attempt to not dump the clutch?

Why are you here?

Submitted by eternal05 on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 11:24.

No seriously, why? Feel free to get whatever bike you want. Feel free to take it to its limit on public roads (like you should do once you've been riding for at least 15 minutes, or have watched at least two YouTube vids showing how to pop wheelies), carve up some twisties (and that means pin it on the straights, then brake to 20mph for the corners), and pull madd endos and burnouts. Blah blah blah. I don't care. Not my funeral.

On the other hand, there's plenty of beginners (that's not you, because you're comfortable taking a CBR F4i to its limit) here who want advice geared towards safety, proper learning of skills, maximizing of fun, and longevity of life. If you're a big man and can handle your sportbike, that's fine, but guess what, bazooka joe? 99% of riders either can't or have the good sense not to. And those riders-to-be are the visitors to BestBeginnerMotorcycles.com. We do everything in our power to make this site welcoming to the most timid of new riders, and try to leave all the machismo at the door. Don't come in here, piss on everybody's dinner, contradict the fundamental message of the site, and then flame anonymous visitors. No way to guarantee a guy won't come back like having a registered user mock him.

And listen dude: you're not the only sportbike fan out there. I ride a gixxer. Megaspaz rocks an SV650SF and Duc 848. We both love rippin' it up on the track. Thing is, we aren't so worried about other people's impressions of our testicular size that we have to go talking big on internet forums. "...had the displeasure of riding a 250 the other day..."? Seriously? Read just about any review for the new Ninja 250R and you'll find the consensus to be that if you DON'T have fun, you have no soul, and/or don't know how to ride. They're FUN dude, so much so that my city bike is still my 250. If you can't even BRIEFLY appreciate a bike like that when you don't have to deal with the logistical implications of owning it (of which there are definitely some negative ones), you're in trouble mate.

Also, for the record, quit makin' shit up. The ride height on any late-model literbike is in the vicinity of 31". For those of us who aren't good at math, that's exactly half of 5'2". So you're telling me that a 5'2" girl can learn to ride on a bike whose seat is halfway up her body? Keep in mind that your crotch is not the halfway point. No way man. She couldn't even tip-toe that beast, let alone flat-foot it. In the freak chance that you're not making this up, quit using freak chance occurrences as fact to back up your arguments. It's just goofy.

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